Chiefs and Bills Trade

Chiefs Send:
RB Thomas Jones 88 ovr
CB Javier Arenas 74 ovr

Bills Send:
FS Jairus Byrd 86 ovr
CB Leodis McKelvin 82 ovr

Chiefs agree

ACCEPTED

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Also this trade is too one sided in favor of the Chiefs. Jones is an older back. He barely has more trucking power than Fred Jackson. So why would Bills owner trade for him. Also Bills intends to trade Spiller. So Bills would have two power backs that aren't even that powerful. Makes no sense whatsoever.

Bills owner. Just to let you know, in Madden 11 a teams secondary is the most important part of it's defense. Trade away solid young players at those positions and you are only dooming yourself for a hard lesson in frustration when you cannot stop the pass for years to come.

IS POTENTIAL THE ONLY THING MISSING? IF SO HERE'S THE POTENTIAL FOR MY PLAYERS.

FS JARIUS BYRD 86 ovr... A POTENTIAL
CB LEODIS MCKELVIN 82 OVR A POTENTIAL

I Believe The Chiefs Players are...
RB THOMAS JONES 88 OVR B POTENTIAL
CB JAVIER ARENAS 74 OVR A POTENTIAL.

I may be wrong about JONES' Potential

That's a terrible trade, two young future stars for nothing.

Actually THOMAS JONES IS AN UPGRADE AT RB. AND JAVIER ARENAS IS A FUTURE STAR AT CB and already an outstanding special teams player. im just trying to put together a team that i can be successful with but i cant because my trades are getting denied

If anything, you should be thankful they've been denied. You can get back more in return.

McKelvin is just as good as a returner and faster.

Thomas Jones is marginally better than Jackson and definitely not enough to give up 2 great young DBs.

Actually i would be losing one great DB because i would be getting a great one back in return.
The main reason for this trade was he was interested in my DB's and i was interested in Thomas Jones i added Javier as a must have for the trade to go through. we both got what we wanted out of the deal. But if i have to prove myself as a commited owner in order for my trades to go through im okay with that.

Javier Arenas isn't fast enough to be a great returner regardless of his OVR at the position. As they said, they did you a favor by declining.

As long as auto sprint is on i dont think speed should matter

LOL @ you guys, people have been trying to rape others in trades, and this is more than fair because he gets a 8 point boost at RB over Fred Jackson and gives him a power runner so Spiller can compliment. I originally offered CB Brandon Carr 77 ovr Arenas is a player that the Bills wanted. A 74 ovr CB in Arenas who will progress to at the very least 78-79 ovr in one offseason and has good coverage ratings is well worth an 82 ovr CB who will not progress much further at 82 ovr. Thomas Jones is 2 points higher then Byrd, and Byrd is at a position where the Bills are very strong at with 4 safeties that can start. It's personal preference and he wanted Arenas. To say that this isn't fair after seeing other trades you guys propose is asinine.

I'll throw in another player or draft pick if I must, but it really is a trade that you can look at from the outside and say it isn;t fair because of the overalls right now, and speed whores who say McKelvin is faster. McKelvin doesn't progress well I'm in 4 other online franchises right now and Byrd never seems to break 88-89 ovr. I'll put in more if I must, but when a guy really wants Arenas he will deal with a small ovr change. He actually at one point I believe would of thrown in Roscoe Parrish, which then would of been unfair, but as it stands now it is a pretty fair deal.

OnlyOneBeerLeft wrote:

LOL @ you guys, people have been trying to rape others in trades

And they've received flack for it as well. Nobody is getting off scot-free.

OnlyOneBeerLeft wrote:

and this is more than fair because he gets a 8 point boost at RB over Fred Jackson and gives him a power runner so Spiller can compliment.

Yeah, well, he's already tried trading Spiller. What sense does it make to have Thomas Jones and Fred Jackson?

OnlyOneBeerLeft wrote:

A 74 ovr CB in Arenas who will progress to at the very least 78-79 ovr in one offseason and has good coverage ratings is well worth an 82 ovr CB who will not progress much further at 82 ovr.

Arenas will more than likely go up to 80 overall, but who are you trying to bullshit with your latter statement? An 82 overall CB that will not progress much further than 82? He'll be in the high 80's after the season.

OnlyOneBeerLeft wrote:

Thomas Jones is 2 points higher then Byrd

One, actually. It's not really that big of a deal but if you're going to bring up overall ratings as part of your argument then at least get them correct. Byrd is 87 overall (and will be 90+ next season).

OnlyOneBeerLeft wrote:

To say that this isn't fair after seeing other trades you guys propose is asinine.

You must be under the assumption that every trade proposed has been accepted. On the contrary, my friend. Go find one of these 'asinine' trades and read the comments; if it's an unfair deal then it's been declined and/or ridiculed.

OnlyOneBeerLeft wrote:

I'll throw in another player or draft pick if I must

If it's such a fair trade then why are you willing to throw in more?

EGO__TRiP wrote:

If it's such a fair trade then why are you willing to throw in more?

Because I can deal with throwing in a 3rd just to shut everybody up, even tho this is the deal that was brought to me. I want Byrd, he wanted Arenas and a back, to lose Arenas I needed a solid CB in return. My bad... Jones does not lose anything, looking at all the leagues Im in year 2 and farther he is still 88 ovr. Arenas is 77... he came into the game in the roster update before those leagues at 72 ovr... and he also was B potential. Now he is A potential and starting point is 74 ovr. The two players I'm giving are very worth it, but in order for my ONE trade to go through I will throw in a 3rd round pick so it gets accepted.

There is a difference when a trade, depending on need, is perceived as a little outbalanced. I'm not trying to take anybody's star 97+ speed player like most other people have been proposing in their trades. We are trading where I have a surplus of quality backs, and he has a surplus of defensive backs. The needs fit each other.

The offer is:

Kansas City sends:
RB Thomas Jones 88 ovr B pot
CB Javier Arenas 74 ovr A pot
3rd Round Draft Pick

Buffalo sends:
FS Jairus Byrd 86 ovr A pot
CB Leodis McKelvin 82 ovr A pot

No reason why that shouldn't be accepted by commish and thought of as reasonable.

The thing is Jones is not that much better than Jackson

Jones - 87 spd, 76 str, 87 agl, 86 acc, 88 trk, 78 elu, 85 stf
Jackson - 88 spd, 76 str, 86 agl, 87 acc, 82 trk, 69 elu, 79 stf

Then you got McKelvin who has 89 man coverage, 93 spd, 94 agl, 95 acc, 70 prs
Byrd - 92 zone coverage, 87 prs, 87 spd, 94 agl, 93 acc

vs. Arenas - 88 spd, 94 agl, 93 acc, 78 man coverage, 85 zone coverage, 66 prs

Seriously upgrading to Jones is worth all that?

mindyabizz wrote:

The thing is Jones is not that much better than Jackson

Jones - 87 spd, 76 str, 87 agl, 86 acc, 88 trk, 78 elu, 85 stf
Jackson - 88 spd, 76 str, 86 agl, 87 acc, 82 trk, 69 elu, 79 stf

Then you got McKelvin who has 89 man coverage, 93 spd, 94 agl, 95 acc, 70 prs
Byrd - 92 zone coverage, 87 prs, 87 spd, 94 agl, 93 acc

vs. Arenas - 88 spd, 94 agl, 93 acc, 78 man coverage, 85 zone coverage, 66 prs

Seriously upgrading to Jones is worth all that?

First off you should listen to your user name bruh... second you strategically leave out important rushing attributes like carrying and BCV, how much better Jones is at stiff, elusiveness, trucking, awareness which helps in pass protection. He's getting a 3rd round pick on top. Jones instantly becomes his best offensive player. But naw sun here's the deal... if Jones had ... 95+ speed let's say, and was the same age and overall and everything... than you guys would be all over it about how good a deal it is. Speed is nowhere near everything in this game, you still have to play it. A trade value to one person is not the same value to another. More than half the league HIGHLY values speed and youth, not everybody does. And Arenas is 3 years younger than McKelvin.

@mindyabizz why didnt you point out that Byrd;s Man coverage was only 64 and his Tackling was only 67 and Hit Power only 60 and awarness 72 and play recognition 75. If youre going to post his strengths you may as well post his flaws as well

undisputedmvp wrote:

@mindyabizz why didnt you point out that Byrd;s Man coverage was only 64 and his Tackling was only 67 and Hit Power only 60 and awarness 72 and play recognition 75. If youre going to post his strengths you may as well post his flaws as well

That wouldn't help his or anybody else's argument against this... I think somebody just wants to cock block his division rival... seeing two of them are here emphatically denying this trade should go through

BCV means nothing in user played games, 82 to 95 yeah improvement. I said Jones is an improvement over Jackson already. Not a big enough improvement to give up two young dbs who are excellent in their coverages.

Bryd's a safety, why does he need man coverage? You say all that about Bryd as if Arenas is actually better.

What are you gaining here? A slight upgrade at HB.

What are you losing here? 2 great young DBs for a DB who doesn't compare to either.

OnlyOneBeerLeft wrote:

undisputedmvp wrote:

@mindyabizz why didnt you point out that Byrd;s Man coverage was only 64 and his Tackling was only 67 and Hit Power only 60 and awarness 72 and play recognition 75. If youre going to post his strengths you may as well post his flaws as well

That wouldn't help his or anybody else's argument against this... I think somebody just wants to cock block his division rival... seeing two of them are here emphatically denying this trade should go through

I'm good with my team and confident it can compete with anyone no matter who you get. Doesn't change the fact that this is a dumb trade. I really don't know what the Bills are trying to do but they are making awful decisions. Gutting their secondary for slight upgrade at HB and trading Spiller for an OLB when you have Merrimen and Thomas.

mindyabizz wrote:

Bryd's a safety, why does he need man coverage? You say all that about Bryd as if Arenas is actually better.

Gutting their secondary for slight upgrade at HB and trading Spiller for an OLB when you have Merrimen and Thomas.

Byrd's a safety and Arenas is a corner so there is no need to compare who is better.

also i made that trade for an OLB so i could move Thomas to MLB with Posluzsny

If the trade didn't include Bryd I could see it passing, I don't see why you're giving up both for 2 players you don't even need.

mindyabizz wrote:

I don't see why you're giving up both for 2 players you don't even need.

In your eyes i may not need them. but in my eyes i need them on my team and i want them

mindyabizz wrote:

If the trade didn't include Bryd I could see it passing, I don't see why you're giving up both for 2 players you don't even need.

He is giving up a good player in Byrd, but very expendable for him, he has 4 guys who could start, Whitner at FS is more than logical and he plays better there, having Scott or Wilson play SS adds a good tackling presence to a defense. But I forgot they dont have 90+ speed so they must be no good lmao

As far as his Spiller trade I can absolutely see where he is coming from. Sure, you wouldn't do it because of Spiller's speed, I prob wouldn't, but he obviously knows speed isn't everything, and Kindle is A pot also and very young and they both will progress to roughly the same ovr by next season... if he sees himself acquiring Jones and already has Jackson as a 3rd down back than why not move an expendable piece for a piece where he could use it?

OnlyOneBeerLeft wrote:

undisputedmvp wrote:

@mindyabizz why didnt you point out that Byrd;s Man coverage was only 64 and his Tackling was only 67 and Hit Power only 60 and awarness 72 and play recognition 75. If youre going to post his strengths you may as well post his flaws as well

That wouldn't help his or anybody else's argument against this... I think somebody just wants to cock block his division rival... seeing two of them are here emphatically denying this trade should go through

Ah, so since we aren't going to sit back with our mouths shut as we witness this guy ruin his team, that means we have ulterior motives and we're out to get you... right...

Which is why you need people like us to help you from making bad deicions like these.

OnlyOneBeerLeft wrote:

mindyabizz wrote:

If the trade didn't include Bryd I could see it passing, I don't see why you're giving up both for 2 players you don't even need.

He is giving up a good player in Byrd, but very expendable for him, he has 4 guys who could start, Whitner at FS is more than logical and he plays better there, having Scott or Wilson play SS adds a good tackling presence to a defense. But I forgot they dont have 90+ speed so they must be no good lmao

As far as his Spiller trade I can absolutely see where he is coming from. Sure, you wouldn't do it because of Spiller's speed, I prob wouldn't, but he obviously knows speed isn't everything, and Kindle is A pot also and very young and they both will progress to roughly the same ovr by next season... if he sees himself acquiring Jones and already has Jackson as a 3rd down back than why not move an expendable piece for a piece where he could use it?

Of course you understand him, he's giving you 2 great YOUNG DBs for an old RB. If you need a safety you should be asking for Wilson or Scott not Bryd, a guy who develops into the best FS in the game.

I mean this trade makes no sense. Why is Arenas even involved? Jones shouldn't even be traded for McKelvin nor Bryd in a straight up deal.

This trade is so messed that I had to go check your guys IP addresses to make sure you weren't one and the same person owning both teams and trying to stack one. That being said, these two owners feel very strongly about making this deal. So here's what I'm gonna do. I approve the trade.
But there's a stipulation. If either one of you guys leave or get yourself booted, the trade will be nullified and the players involved will be returned to their original teams.
Refresh your memories by reading the rules on what would cause you to get removed from the league okay guys.

On a side note , I coulda given you a better deal for those guys lol.

mindyabizz wrote:

Of course you understand him, he's giving you 2 great YOUNG DBs for an old RB. If you need a safety you should be asking for Wilson or Scott not Bryd, a guy who develops into the best FS in the game.

I mean this trade makes no sense. Why is Arenas even involved? Jones shouldn't even be traded for McKelvin nor Bryd in a straight up deal.

Lol because I don't need a SS in case you haven't noticed Eric Berry is a monster. Arenas was a player that he chose... and McKelvin is 25 yrs old, obviously still young, but Javier is 22... I don't need to give out every detail of our negotiations, but it wasn't some sort of hey gimme a great player for Thomas Jones, we felt out what each other was looking for, and made a deal by moving players that were expendable to both of us.

To get Thomas Jones, Javier Arenas and a 3rd round pick is fair value, especially when you look at what each teams needs are and each teams depth at the positions being swapped. A better Cb was offered but Javier Arenas is a player that the Bills owner wants...

Admin wrote:

This trade is so messed that I had to go check your guys IP addresses to make sure you weren't one and the same person owning both teams and trying to stack one. That being said, these two owners feel very strongly about making this deal. So here's what I'm gonna do. I approve the trade.
But there's a stipulation. If either one of you guys leave or get yourself booted, the trade will be nullified and the players involved will be returned to their original teams.
Refresh your memories by reading the rules on what would cause you to get removed from the league okay guys.

On a side note , I coulda given you a better deal for those guys lol.

Thank you... right now we aren't finalizing until the Bills owner plays his game anyways, he wants to see how he does in game with said players I believe before pulling the trigger.

No probs.

I only wish you got a WR Chiefs, can't wait for you to enter the black hole!

OnlyOneBeerLeft wrote:

Admin wrote:

This trade is so messed that I had to go check your guys IP addresses to make sure you weren't one and the same person owning both teams and trying to stack one. That being said, these two owners feel very strongly about making this deal. So here's what I'm gonna do. I approve the trade.
But there's a stipulation. If either one of you guys leave or get yourself booted, the trade will be nullified and the players involved will be returned to their original teams.
Refresh your memories by reading the rules on what would cause you to get removed from the league okay guys.

On a side note , I coulda given you a better deal for those guys lol.

Thank you... right now we aren't finalizing until the Bills owner plays his game anyways, he wants to see how he does in game with said players I believe before pulling the trigger.

yeah once i play my 1st game with the team and see what the players mentioned in the trade can do. i will come in and reaccept the trade with the stipulation if i feel i can win without the players in the trade.

mindyabizz wrote:

I only wish you got a WR Chiefs, can't wait for you to enter the black hole!

A WR? what would I need that for? If this a bit of talk about a division rival? I like it... I'll tell you what... you can pick my two starting WR's if you want for our first game

Chiefs vs Raiders is gonna be the game to watch.